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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s because in general, when guys go out, we&#039;re going out to meet girl&lt;strong&gt;S&lt;/strong&gt;.  Girls, in general, date to meet &lt;strong&gt;A&lt;/strong&gt; guy.

As soon as they detect that the guy they&#039;re talking to isn&#039;t going to be &quot;The One&quot;, they shut off and focus on the next guy that might be &quot;it&quot;.

This is probably the biological reason for the evolution of &quot;game&quot;.  The whole point is to trick women into believing you&#039;re whatever she&#039;s looking for so she lives up to her romantic potential.

Just a few episodes of getting a completely different reaction from chicks before and after they see you as a potential boyfriend is enough to make guys understand how important that distinction is.

It also becomes obvious, like when you&#039;re in a place where women go SPECIFICALLY to meet rich guys and you don&#039;t come off as rich.  You can feel how they&#039;re ignoring you, because they&#039;re on their golddigging grind.  Of course, when they find out that YOUR BOY is rich and you&#039;re there hanging out with HIM, all of a sudden, they want to be your best friends.  By that point, it&#039;s too late for them to be treated respectfully, because they&#039;ve already made it known to you that they&#039;re trying to use you.

Basically, women should train themselves to be nice to guys they don&#039;t want to date.  They&#039;d get a lot more stuff done for them that way.  The problem with that technique is that guys are so unused to women acting decently towards them (at least, in NYC) that if a gal IS friendly, it&#039;s taken as a sign of romantic interest instead of the fact that her way of being or demeanor is just different from what you&#039;re used to.  So, for women, being a jerk is a naturally-developed preemptive defensive action, which generally serves them very well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s because in general, when guys go out, we&#8217;re going out to meet girl<strong>S</strong>.  Girls, in general, date to meet <strong>A</strong> guy.</p>
<p>As soon as they detect that the guy they&#8217;re talking to isn&#8217;t going to be &#8220;The One&#8221;, they shut off and focus on the next guy that might be &#8220;it&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is probably the biological reason for the evolution of &#8220;game&#8221;.  The whole point is to trick women into believing you&#8217;re whatever she&#8217;s looking for so she lives up to her romantic potential.</p>
<p>Just a few episodes of getting a completely different reaction from chicks before and after they see you as a potential boyfriend is enough to make guys understand how important that distinction is.</p>
<p>It also becomes obvious, like when you&#8217;re in a place where women go SPECIFICALLY to meet rich guys and you don&#8217;t come off as rich.  You can feel how they&#8217;re ignoring you, because they&#8217;re on their golddigging grind.  Of course, when they find out that YOUR BOY is rich and you&#8217;re there hanging out with HIM, all of a sudden, they want to be your best friends.  By that point, it&#8217;s too late for them to be treated respectfully, because they&#8217;ve already made it known to you that they&#8217;re trying to use you.</p>
<p>Basically, women should train themselves to be nice to guys they don&#8217;t want to date.  They&#8217;d get a lot more stuff done for them that way.  The problem with that technique is that guys are so unused to women acting decently towards them (at least, in NYC) that if a gal IS friendly, it&#8217;s taken as a sign of romantic interest instead of the fact that her way of being or demeanor is just different from what you&#8217;re used to.  So, for women, being a jerk is a naturally-developed preemptive defensive action, which generally serves them very well.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 13:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...if you aren’t the right TYPE of guy that she could see herself with in the future, she’s going to feign unavailability&quot;.  
What I initially didn&#039;t get was why women approach this as an all or nothing.  As in he&#039;s not the right guy for me to date so I don&#039;t need to know him at all but I&#039;m starting to see it better from the other side.  I&#039;ve heard a little bit about this from women who&#039;ve dated online and I&#039;ve seen it as an expectation from women who are out there in the real.  

Angry Dude
The expectation from women is that if they give a hard no or friend the guy instead they&#039;ll get Angry Dude.  Y&#039;all know what I&#039;m talkin&#039; &#039;bout.  Right?  Angry Dude is the guy that&#039;s letting the non-brain, doesn&#039;t handle rejection well, end of his body do the thinking &lt;b&gt;all the time&lt;/b&gt;, or at least in that moment, is &lt;strong&gt;completely unaware&lt;/strong&gt; he&#039;s doing so and thinks calling a woman a b*tch or sending her a nasty-gram is an appropriate response to not being able to realize his physical happiness through her.
If having to deal with that scary, self-esteem hammering, crap is a possible outcome of, &quot;hey, let&#039;s just be friends.&quot; then it&#039;s no wonder chicks cut and run as quickly as they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;if you aren’t the right TYPE of guy that she could see herself with in the future, she’s going to feign unavailability&#8221;.<br />
What I initially didn&#8217;t get was why women approach this as an all or nothing.  As in he&#8217;s not the right guy for me to date so I don&#8217;t need to know him at all but I&#8217;m starting to see it better from the other side.  I&#8217;ve heard a little bit about this from women who&#8217;ve dated online and I&#8217;ve seen it as an expectation from women who are out there in the real.  </p>
<p>Angry Dude<br />
The expectation from women is that if they give a hard no or friend the guy instead they&#8217;ll get Angry Dude.  Y&#8217;all know what I&#8217;m talkin&#8217; &#8217;bout.  Right?  Angry Dude is the guy that&#8217;s letting the non-brain, doesn&#8217;t handle rejection well, end of his body do the thinking <b>all the time</b>, or at least in that moment, is <strong>completely unaware</strong> he&#8217;s doing so and thinks calling a woman a b*tch or sending her a nasty-gram is an appropriate response to not being able to realize his physical happiness through her.<br />
If having to deal with that scary, self-esteem hammering, crap is a possible outcome of, &#8220;hey, let&#8217;s just be friends.&#8221; then it&#8217;s no wonder chicks cut and run as quickly as they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Different folks, Different Places, Different Rules, and Game Changers Pt. I &#171; Steven Alleyne</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Different folks, Different Places, Different Rules, and Game Changers Pt. I &#171; Steven Alleyne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 02:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] They&#8217;re all in their mid to late 20&#8217;s. That&#8217;s significant. Then I gave him my particulars and told him I was inclined to date, not exclusively but inclined, women closer to or at my age in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bill Cammack</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-42</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Cammack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 10:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Game is entirely predatory.  It&#039;s one of the things that assures that the playing field will never be even between men and women.  Guys have to become good hunters while girls just have to try to become good judges as far as when they should lay back and spread their legs or bend over.  The skillz and attitudes that guys are forced to master to become proficient in getting girls makes those of us who do it vastly superior and a different kind of being altogether.  Eyes on the prize.  Everything we do is geared towards only one outcome, getting her to do what we envisioned her doing when we checked out her face, lips or body that first time.

It&#039;s definiltely &quot;will imposition&quot;, but it&#039;s not prosecutable.  It&#039;s bringing all of your skillz to bear on achieving what you want.  It&#039;s going beyond what chicks BELIEVE you&#039;re going to do to get in their panties.  It&#039;s living in an area outside of their consciousness while relating to them on terms they can comprehend and digest.  Nobody gives a damn how their day was, but you ask anyway.  Nobody cares how nice the weather is today, but you stop her on the street to say that anyway.

It&#039;s absolutely will imposition, because we&#039;re not stepping to chicks and telling them they look good and we want to do this and that to them.  We&#039;re deciding what we want and then tactically getting them to give it up.  But that&#039;s the game.  The &quot;Best Guys&quot; get the best girls.  Period.  If you&#039;re not the best in something, you have to develop techniques to out-best the best.

I used to hang out with guys that were &quot;broke than a mug&quot;, like BROOOOOOKE, like can&#039;t afford a bag of potato chips broke, and through gift of gab or dressing style or being a great dancer or keeping their Caesar hooked up, they had girls left and right.  If you have girls, you have money... THEIR money.  Whether that comes from a cashier&#039;s job or food stamps doesn&#039;t matter.

The guys with the best game were able to make lives for themselves out of thin air... out of nothing at all.  Meanwhile, you had guys bussin&#039; they azz to be executives and make money that can&#039;t pull a girl to save their lives, like LITERALLY, they wouldn&#039;t be able to get laid if their actual life depended on it and they spend their days wishing they were the broke dude with the fat-assed chick on his arm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Game is entirely predatory.  It&#8217;s one of the things that assures that the playing field will never be even between men and women.  Guys have to become good hunters while girls just have to try to become good judges as far as when they should lay back and spread their legs or bend over.  The skillz and attitudes that guys are forced to master to become proficient in getting girls makes those of us who do it vastly superior and a different kind of being altogether.  Eyes on the prize.  Everything we do is geared towards only one outcome, getting her to do what we envisioned her doing when we checked out her face, lips or body that first time.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s definiltely &#8220;will imposition&#8221;, but it&#8217;s not prosecutable.  It&#8217;s bringing all of your skillz to bear on achieving what you want.  It&#8217;s going beyond what chicks BELIEVE you&#8217;re going to do to get in their panties.  It&#8217;s living in an area outside of their consciousness while relating to them on terms they can comprehend and digest.  Nobody gives a damn how their day was, but you ask anyway.  Nobody cares how nice the weather is today, but you stop her on the street to say that anyway.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s absolutely will imposition, because we&#8217;re not stepping to chicks and telling them they look good and we want to do this and that to them.  We&#8217;re deciding what we want and then tactically getting them to give it up.  But that&#8217;s the game.  The &#8220;Best Guys&#8221; get the best girls.  Period.  If you&#8217;re not the best in something, you have to develop techniques to out-best the best.</p>
<p>I used to hang out with guys that were &#8220;broke than a mug&#8221;, like BROOOOOOKE, like can&#8217;t afford a bag of potato chips broke, and through gift of gab or dressing style or being a great dancer or keeping their Caesar hooked up, they had girls left and right.  If you have girls, you have money&#8230; THEIR money.  Whether that comes from a cashier&#8217;s job or food stamps doesn&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>The guys with the best game were able to make lives for themselves out of thin air&#8230; out of nothing at all.  Meanwhile, you had guys bussin&#8217; they azz to be executives and make money that can&#8217;t pull a girl to save their lives, like LITERALLY, they wouldn&#8217;t be able to get laid if their actual life depended on it and they spend their days wishing they were the broke dude with the fat-assed chick on his arm.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 05:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, instead of writing a book you could start a TV show called, &quot;On The Hunt with Frank&quot;.  You could have the camera pan the room/bar/whatever then freeze the frame and do on screen chalk talk.  5 minute spot at max.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, instead of writing a book you could start a TV show called, &#8220;On The Hunt with Frank&#8221;.  You could have the camera pan the room/bar/whatever then freeze the frame and do on screen chalk talk.  5 minute spot at max.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>didnt mean predator in the &quot;im going to overpower you and impose my will&quot; sense but more like a hunter. Spot the weak one in the crowd, if thats who i wanted to begin with then i set my sights and skills on her, otherwise if she is with the one thats in demand... Thats the first one whose gaurd i crack and that in turn makes for a friendlier environment while waiting on the one. Some guys use their verbal skills exclusively, i incorporate my environment and any human props available. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>didnt mean predator in the &#8220;im going to overpower you and impose my will&#8221; sense but more like a hunter. Spot the weak one in the crowd, if thats who i wanted to begin with then i set my sights and skills on her, otherwise if she is with the one thats in demand&#8230; Thats the first one whose gaurd i crack and that in turn makes for a friendlier environment while waiting on the one. Some guys use their verbal skills exclusively, i incorporate my environment and any human props available. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Frank.  
I&#039;m not sure if that makes you a predator or not.  Did you persuade someone to do something they would not have done normally?  Did you use deception to accomplish your goals?  I&#039;m thinking if you acted like your regular out for a good time self and that made someone else more receptive over time than that&#039;s not predation.  They actively decided they liked what you were presenting and were open to more of what you had to offer.  You were just goal oriented!  Shrug.   :)
Now you can tell us all about how this kept you up all night thinking about it.  THAT would be deception!  :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Frank.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure if that makes you a predator or not.  Did you persuade someone to do something they would not have done normally?  Did you use deception to accomplish your goals?  I&#8217;m thinking if you acted like your regular out for a good time self and that made someone else more receptive over time than that&#8217;s not predation.  They actively decided they liked what you were presenting and were open to more of what you had to offer.  You were just goal oriented!  Shrug.   <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Now you can tell us all about how this kept you up all night thinking about it.  THAT would be deception!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn, I must admit that as a 39yr old, I have probably mastered the art of playin the role BUT honestly I never thought of it that way. I like to just hang out and laugh. I have been in groups where everyone appreciates the the humor but have had that hawk menatlity in regards to one. I have purposely gotten all the friends to let their gaurd down just so that i could pick off the one i wanted. I guess im a predator in that regards. lol Now you have me self analyzing in regards to how I go about my business. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn, I must admit that as a 39yr old, I have probably mastered the art of playin the role BUT honestly I never thought of it that way. I like to just hang out and laugh. I have been in groups where everyone appreciates the the humor but have had that hawk menatlity in regards to one. I have purposely gotten all the friends to let their gaurd down just so that i could pick off the one i wanted. I guess im a predator in that regards. lol Now you have me self analyzing in regards to how I go about my business. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the dropping in, Lar!  :)

I figure my night&#039;s already a partial success if I&#039;ve had one or two good laughs.  Other than that it helps to have a sharp wit or have knowledge of something most people would be interested in, e.g. - have you seen Watchmen, Coraline, do you have a neat hobby like stamp collecting? - I kid.  :)  Else,  you could just talk to women like the freakin&#039; captain of industry that you are - like you have something to say and they need to listen.  The right attitude can get you places!  :)

Otherwise, like Thin Lizzy says in The Boys Are Back In Town, &quot;If she don&#039;t wanna know, forget her&quot;.  Shrug.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the dropping in, Lar!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I figure my night&#8217;s already a partial success if I&#8217;ve had one or two good laughs.  Other than that it helps to have a sharp wit or have knowledge of something most people would be interested in, e.g. &#8211; have you seen Watchmen, Coraline, do you have a neat hobby like stamp collecting? &#8211; I kid.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Else,  you could just talk to women like the freakin&#8217; captain of industry that you are &#8211; like you have something to say and they need to listen.  The right attitude can get you places!  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Otherwise, like Thin Lizzy says in The Boys Are Back In Town, &#8220;If she don&#8217;t wanna know, forget her&#8221;.  Shrug.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://stevenalleyne.com/2009/03/21/dating-on-the-north-side-of-40-following-a-very-long-term-relationship/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Steve&#039;s friend who heads out on the town with him seeking out women for something more than friendship, I get tongue-tied and struggle to starting or keeping a conversion going.   After the night is over, if we succeeded or not, mostly not, we always had a great time to remember and laugh on the way home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Steve&#8217;s friend who heads out on the town with him seeking out women for something more than friendship, I get tongue-tied and struggle to starting or keeping a conversion going.   After the night is over, if we succeeded or not, mostly not, we always had a great time to remember and laugh on the way home.</p>
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